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Tuesday, August 2, 2011

Obama HHS/FDA Torpedo Public Safety, Again: Useless Studies, Real Harm

AHRP has;

Useless Studies, Real Harm

Monday, 01 August 2011

The Obama Administration has embarked on an aggressive course of action that will accelerate the pace at which the integrity of American medicine--is sullied beyond repair.

Commercially-driven biomedical research--in particular, research involving prescription drugs, vaccines, and medical devices---has corrupted the entire field of medicine, both academic research and clinical practice. Americans' health is being undermined by expensive, defective, all-too often, treatments that, at best, are useless. A worst, they kill or cause serious permanent damage.

A sobering OpEd piece in The New York Times by Carl Elliott, MD, PhD, "Useless Studies, Real Harm," provides a window to the extent to which biomedical research has been degraded by commercially-driven clinical trials,

Rather than addressing the spreading problem, the Obama Administration has embarked on an aggressive course of action that will accelerate the pace at which the integrity of American medicine--is sullied beyond repair.

1. The Obama Administration has proposed massive changes in regulatory oversight governing research with human subjects.

The proposed regulatory changes to 45 CFR 46--in particular, (1) the elimination of local institutional review board oversight from multi-site clinical trials, and (2) the broadening of expedited review of clinical trial protocols, would significantly worsen both the safety of human subjects in research, and would further erode the scientific integrity of clinical trials.

If adopted, the proposed changes-- delineated in a 92 page document-- would, in effect, dismantle existing federal protections under 45 CFR 46.

2. Bloomberg News reports that FDA Commissioner, Margaret Hamburg, told Public Citizen that the 2008 conflicts of interest policy governing FDA advisory panels would be loosened. (below)

3. In June, HHS submitted a proposal to conduct a trial to test the highly controversial, hazardous anthrax vaccine in children.

Read AHRP's letter to Secretary Kathleen Sibelius outlining the legal and moral prohibitions against exposing healthy children to research involving risks of harm with no direct benefit to justify the risk. Furthermore, without concrete evidence--rather than hypothetical scenarios--it is immoral to expose children to the documented severe risks linked to the anthrax vaccine.

**AHRP has requested an extension of at least 120 days from the 60 day period allotted to public comment:

"Given the size of the document (HHS-OPHS-2011-0005) and the extensive proposed changes to the existing federal human research protection regulations, the 60 day period for public comment is simply inadequate to the task of a careful examination of the proposed changes and a thoughtful consideration of the ramifications of such proposed changes.

Therefore, the Alliance for Human Research Protection respectfully requests an extension of at least 120 days for the public comment period."

** We suggest YOU request an extension as well.

To request an extension go to: http://www.regulations.gov/#!home It will say, "Enter keyword or ID" type: HHS-OPHS-2011-0005

The first item is HHS-OPHS-2011-0005-0012, click "Submit Comment"

and you will then be asked to insert your name and org. and comment:

Vera Hassner Sharav


Bloomberg News

Conflict-of-Interest Rules May Be Relaxed in 2012, Hamburg Says

By Jeffrey Young - Jul 25, 2011

Conflict-of-interest rules restricting scientists with financial ties to drug and device- makers from advising U.S. regulators may loosen next year, said Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Margaret Hamburg.

A 2008 policy limiting researchers who were paid by manufacturers from serving on advisory panels may be curtailing feedback the FDA receives, Hamburg told the advocacy group Public Citizen in Washington today. Changes may come through a renewal of the law letting the agency receive fees from companies such as Pfizer Inc. (PFE) for product reviews.

“We have to be sure that FDA has subject-matter experts that we need for our important decision making,” Hamburg said, adding that the agency also must “prevent inappropriate influence or distortion of information” that may compromise reviews. Patient-advocacy groups and academic researchers have expressed “valid concerns” about the conflict-of-interest policy, prompting an agency rules review, she said.

Republicans in Congress and manufacturers have criticized the pace of FDA reviews as too slow, blaming unanticipated requests for safety information from FDA staff and advisers.

Representative Fred Upton of Michigan, the chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee, said this month the conflict-of- interest rules are slowing new product approvals because advisory committees lack sufficient qualified members. Twenty- three percent of the seats on the FDA’s advisory committees weren’t filled as of March, with 608 positions occupied and 138 vacant, according to the agency’s website.

Congressional action on product-review fees has created a “renewed sense of interest” and will provide critics of the policy with an opportunity to petition for fewer restrictions on participation on FDA advisory committees, Hamburg said.

The rules shouldn’t be changed because financial interests influence the way products are evaluated, said Robert Weissman, president of Public Citizen. “We need stronger protection rather than less,” he said after Hamburg’s remarks.

To contact the reporter on this story: Jeffrey Young in Washington at jyoung89@bloomberg.net.

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Adriel Bettelheim at abettelheim@bloomberg.net

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THE NEW YORK TIMES

July 28, 2011

Useless Studies, Real Harm

By CARL ELLIOTT

Minneapolis

LAST month, the Archives of Internal Medicine published a scathing reassessment of a 12-year-old research study of Neurontin, a seizure drug made by Pfizer. The study, which had included more than 2,700 subjects and was carried out by Parke-Davis (now part of Pfizer), was notable for how poorly it was conducted. The investigators were inexperienced and untrained, and the design of the study was so flawed it generated few if any useful conclusions. Even more alarming, 11 patients in the study died and 73 more experienced “serious adverse events.” Yet there have been few headlines, no demands for sanctions or apologies, no national bioethics commissions pledging to investigate. Why not?

One reason is that the study was not quite what it seemed. It looked like a clinical trial, but as litigation documents have shown, it was actually a marketing device known as a “seeding trial.” The purpose of seeding trials is not to advance research but to make doctors familiar with a new drug.

In a typical seeding trial, a pharmaceutical company will identify several hundred doctors and invite them to take part in a research study. Often the doctors are paid for each subject they recruit. As the trial proceeds, the doctors gradually get to know the drug, making them more likely to prescribe it later.

In an age of for-profit clinical research, this is the new face of scandal. Pharmaceutical companies promote their drugs with pseudo-studies that have little if any scientific merit, and patients naïvely sign up, unaware of the ways in which they are being used. Nobody really knows how often companies conduct such trials, but they appear with alarming regularity in pharmaceutical marketing documents. In the marketing plan for the antidepressant Lexapro for the 2004 fiscal year, Forest Laboratories described 102 Phase IV trials — the classification under which seeding trials fall — in a section labeled “Marketing Tactics.”

Oversight bodies like the Food and Drug Administration generally don’t view seeding trials as research scandals: seeding trials are not illegal, and the drugs in question have already received F.D.A. approval. But even after particularly egregious seeding trials have been exposed, the F.D.A. has not issued sanctions. Take the notorious Advantage study, a seeding trial of the pain reliever Vioxx conducted by Merck. According to a 2008 report in the Annals of Internal Medicine, litigation documents show that the Advantage study was conceived and managed by Merck’s marketing department. Three subjects died in the Advantage trial; five more subjects experienced heart attacks. Oversight bodies should treat the Advantage study as a violation of research ethics.

How can studies that endanger human subjects attract so little scrutiny? Forty years ago, when most clinical research took place in academic settings, the main dangers to research subjects came in service to genuine scientific aims. A large regulatory apparatus was developed to protect human subjects from the ambitions of overweening academic researchers. In the early 1990s, however, pharmaceutical companies realized that it was faster and less expensive to conduct trials in the private sector, where the driving force is not knowledge, but profit. And the regulatory apparatus designed for the old era has proved woefully inadequate for the new one.

The main source of protection for research subjects is a patchwork system of ethics committees known as institutional review boards, or I.R.B.’s. These are small, federally empowered bodies that review research proposals before they are carried out, to ensure that the studies are ethically sound. But they don’t typically pass judgment on whether a study is being carried out merely to market a drug. Nor do most I.R.B.’s have the requisite expertise to do so. Even worse, many I.R.B.’s are now themselves for-profit businesses, paid directly by the sponsors of the studies they evaluate. If one I.R.B. gets a reputation for being too strict, a pharmaceutical company can simply go elsewhere for its review.

Last week, the federal government announced that it was overhauling its rules governing the protection of human subjects. But the new rules would not stop seeding trials. It is time to admit that I.R.B.’s are simply incapable of overseeing a global, multibillion-dollar corporate enterprise. They should be replaced with an oversight system that is financially and administratively independent of the research it oversees. The system must have the power to impose sanctions, and its responsibilities must extend to fraud, bribery and corruption.

Many patients volunteer for research in the hope that the knowledge generated will benefit others. When a company deceives them into volunteering for a useless study, it cynically exploits their good will, undermining the cause of legitimate research everywhere.

Carl Elliott teaches bioethics at the University of Minnesota and is the author of “White Coat, Black Hat: Adventures on the Dark Side of Medicine.”

*Dr. Elliott holds dual professorships at the University of Minnesota Medical School: Professor, Department of Pediatrics, and Professor, Department of Philosophy. His wide ranging scholarly interests include the ethics of enhancement technologies, research ethics, the philosophy of psychiatry, and the work of Ludwig Wittgenstein and Walker Percy. His articles have appeared in The Atlantic Monthly, The London Review of Books, The Believer, The American Prospect and Dissent. Dr. Elliott is the author or editor of six books, including A Philosophical Disease: Bioethics, Culture and Identity (Routledge, 1999) and Better than Well: American Medicine Meets the American Dream (Norton, 2003.) White Coat, Black Hat: Adventures on the Dark Side of Medicine (Beacon Press, 2010.)


Thank You AHRP

Friday, July 30, 2010

US Military: 1 In 6 Drugged: as Drugging Rises, Suicide Numbers Rise

Navy Times has:

Medicating The Military

"From 2001 to 2009, the Army’s suicide rate increased more than 150 percent, from 9 per 100,000 soldiers to 23 per 100,000. The Marine Corps suicide rate is up about 50 percent, from 16.7 per 100,000 Marines in 2001 to 24 per 100,000 last year. Orders for psychiatric drugs in the analysis rose 76 percent over the same period.

But many military doctors say the risks are overstated and argue that the greater risk would be to fail to fully treat depressed troops." .....

"..... For suicide, “depression is a big risk factor,” too, said Army Reserve Col. (Dr.) Thomas Hicklin, who teaches clinical psychiatry at the University of Southern California. “To withhold the medications can be a huge problem.”

Astounding, simply astounding. Dr Hicklin is a Psychiatrist: IE: He's obsessed with Altering someone Else's emotions, ...... which are Not an Illness. And Hicklin is 'Not On Site' in the field. He's Teaching Psychiatric Ideating, safe, sound, and well paid in Southern California.

Military Doctors are pouring Psych Drugs with a Proven History of Causing Suicides into men and women Already under stress, & the Suicide numbers Keep Rising, Dramatically, ..... but to "Withhold the medications can be a huge problem." , ..... in the opinion of an Illness Postulator thousands of miles away from combat and IEDs in So Cal.

What we're seeing here is that it's OK to INDUCE Suicides in our Heroes rather than have them Depressed. Because in today's political gestalt, we can only have Happy soldiers risking their Lives for the rest of us.

Could Meds Be Responsible For Some Suicides?

Now That one's a tough call, ..... NOT.
"Neurontin, one of the military’s top-selling psychiatric drugs over the past decade, is the subject of a series of lawsuits filed against its manufacturer, Pfizer, alleging that the drug directly caused suicides. None of those cases has gone to trial.

Top 20 Neurontin side effects reported to MedWatch between Jan. 2004 and Dec. 2006:

Drug Ineffective - 834 cases
Suicide Attempt - 535 cases
Completed Suicide - 526 cases
Suicidal Ideation - 420 cases
Condition Aggravated - 381 cases
Pain - 340 cases
Depression - 304 cases
Convulsion - 287 cases
Somnolence - 259 cases
Overdose - 239 cases
Feeling Abnormal - 236 cases
Dizziness - 235 cases
Fall - 190 cases
Gun Shot Wound - 190 cases
Headache - 181 cases
Insomnia - 181 cases
Amnesia - 174 cases
Anxiety - 174 cases
Nausea - 172 cases
Loss of Consciousness - 164 cases

Especially, since we Don't find 190 cases of Gun Shot Wound popping up under the Other 22 of these Neuro Poisons, but with our Military pushing Neurontin, we Do have people asking if the Drugs might be contributing to Suicides.

And the Oversight of exactly Which Psychiatric Drugs actually make it into a Combat Theater is as full of holes as a Swiss Cheese.


What does it actually Take to add up 2+2?


Senator Grassley is only One man, and it's going to take one Hell of a Lot More than even His campaign for disclosure & truth, before we see any Real & Meaningful improvement.

Wednesday, August 5, 2009

Pfizer-Neurontin Trial Testimony: "Snake Oil List"

AHRP has:

Pfizer-Neurontin Trial Testimony:"snake-oil list"

Wednesday July 29, 2009

“I was trained from day one to market the drug illegally...My job was to promote Neurontin and motivate doctors to experiment on patients. After being hired as a medical liaison, I was selling drugs. The uses promoted were from the “snake-oil list” of 13 medical conditions."

In 2004, Pfizer settled an illegal Neurontin marketing case with the U.S. Justice Department for $430 million. The original whistleblower complaint was filed by David Franklin, a microbiologist who had worked for Warner-Lambert (the original manufacturer of Neurontin) under the False Claims Act. The settlement did not address harm to patients prescribed Neurontin.

There are currently 1,200 lawsuits awaiting trial that were filed by individuals who claim to have been harmed by Neurontin, a drug approved as an adjunctive treatment for epilepsy which was widely prescribed for unapproved, off-label uses. The first case to go to trial, Bulger v Pfizer, involves the suicide of Susan Bulger. The case is being tried in Federal District Court in Massachusetts.

Bloomberg News reports (below) that David Franklin testified:
“I was trained from day one to market the drug illegally...My job was to promote Neurontin and motivate doctors to experiment on patients. After being hired as a medical liaison, I was selling drugs. The uses promoted were from the “snake-oil list” of 13 medical conditions."

Franklin testified that Warner-Lambert officials used a variety of tactics to persuade doctors to prescribe Neurontin for unapproved uses.

"They provided the company’s sales force with a list of ailments that would benefit from Neurontin use, including restless leg syndrome, migraine headaches and withdrawal symptoms from drug and alcohol abuse." He noted that the FDA hadn’t approved the drug for any of those illnesses at the time.

Mark Lanier, the lawyer representing the Bulger family, told jurors that Warner-Lambert executives began the off-label marketing campaign to transform Neurontin into a “blockbuster” medicine generating $1 billion in annual sales. The company estimated that selling it solely as an epilepsy drug would generate only about $50 million in sales.

“The company made a conscious decision to do something illegal -- marketing this drug off-label.”

Indeed, illegal, off-label marketing has become "the norm and practice" of the pharmaceutical industry: Clinically insignificant, toxic drugs become blockbuster sellers. That's because industry spends the most money aggressively marketing the worst drugs--drugs of dubious benefit which pose life-threatening risks.

For example,
Merck: Fosamax,Vioxx
Pfizer: Neurontin, Bextra, Zoloft, Chantix, Geodon
GlaxoSmithKline: Paxil, Avandia
Lilly: Oraflex, Prozac, Cymbalta, Zyprexa
Janssen (J & J): Prepulsid, Risperdal
AstraZeneca: Seroquel
Wyeth: Prempro, Redux (Fen-Phen)

See: http://www.ahrp.org/cms/images/stories/articles/evidencepropagandawcsj2009.pdf

Posted by Vera Sharav

BLOOMBERG NEWS
Pfizer Unit Marketed Drug Illegally, Ex-Employee Says (Update2)
By Jef Feeley and Margaret Cronin Fisk

July 28 (Bloomberg) -- Pfizer Inc.’s Warner-Lambert unit created a list of 13 ailments that its epilepsy medicine Neurontin could treat as part of its promotion of the drug for unapproved uses, a former employee testified.

“I was trained from day one” to market the drug illegally, David Franklin testified. Franklin, who worked as a medical liaison at the Parke-Davis division of Warner-Lambert, said he encouraged doctors to prescribe Neurontin for uses beyond those approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

“My job was to promote Neurontin and motivate doctors to experiment” on patients, he said today in federal court in Boston. After being hired as a medical liaison, “I was selling drugs,” he said. The uses promoted were from the “snake-oil list” of 13 medical conditions, said Franklin, a microbiologist.

Franklin was the first witness in the trial over claims by the family of Susan Bulger, 39, who hanged herself after taking the drug. Bulger’s family claims Pfizer promoted Neurontin for unapproved uses and failed to warn it could increase the risk of suicide until forced to do so by the government. Bulger started taking the drug in 1999.

The trial of the suit, the first of about 1,200 over Neurontin to go to trial, is expected to last three weeks.

Pfizer fell 59 cents, or 3.6 percent, to $16.03 at 4:15 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. Pfizer shares have fallen 9.5 percent so far this year.

Whistleblower Suit

Franklin filed a federal whistleblower complaint in 1997 alleging the company illegally marketed the drug for attention deficit disorder, pain and other unapproved uses. The suit resulted in a $430 million settlement by Warner-Lambert with the U.S. Justice Department in 2004.

Franklin, who worked at Warner Lambert for four months in 1995 before resigning over the company’s off-label marketing practices, received about $25 million as his share under the federal False Claims Act, the government said at the time.

Warner-Lambert officials used a variety of tactics to persuade doctors to prescribe Neurontin for unapproved uses, Franklin told jurors.

They provided the company’s sales force with a list of ailments that would benefit from Neurontin use, including restless leg syndrome, migraine headaches and withdrawal symptoms from drug and alcohol abuse, Franklin said. The FDA hadn’t approved the drug for any of those illnesses at the time, he added.

Suicide Warning

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration in December required all makers of epilepsy drugs, including Neurontin, to add a suicide-risk warning to their labels.

Neurontin didn’t cause Bulger’s suicide, and her doctors didn’t prescribe the drug because of off-label marketing, Pfizer’s lawyer said in his opening.

“There’s no reliable evidence that Neurontin causes suicide or makes depression worse,” said lawyer William Ohlemeyer.

Pfizer’s lawyer also pointed out the off-label marketing practices covered by the Warner-Lambert settlement with the government occurred before the New York-based drugmaker’s 1999 purchase of its rival.

Mark Lanier, a lawyer representing Bulger’s family, told jurors that Warner-Lambert executives began the off-label marketing campaign to transform Neurontin into a “blockbuster” medicine generating $1 billion in annual sales. The company estimated that selling it solely as an epilepsy drug would generate only about $50 million in sales, he added.

‘Conscious Decision’

“The company made a conscious decision to do something illegal -- marketing this drug off-label,” Lanier said today in his opening statements.

Bulger’s family, of Peabody, Massachusetts, sued Pfizer and Warner Lambert in August 2007, more than three years after Bulger’s husband and 4-year-old daughter found her body in their basement. Ronald Bulger said he gave his wife four Neurontin pills an hour before she killed herself.

Ohlemeyer noted in his opening statement that Bulger had made at least six other suicide attempts during her lifetime and had battled drug addiction and depression.

The case is Bulger v. Pfizer Inc., 1:07-CV-11426, U.S. District Court, District of Massachusetts (Boston). The suit is part of In Re Neurontin Marketing, Sales Practices and Products Liability Litigation, MDL 1629.

To contact the reporters on this story: Jef Feeley in Wilmington, Delaware, at jfeeley@bloomberg.netThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ; Margaret Cronin Fisk in Southfield, Michigan, at mcfisk@bloomberg.net.This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it

Last Updated: July 28, 2009 16:36 EDT




We've touched briefly upon Neurontin afore now, in:

Mental Health: Convulsions Anyone?

Thank you AHRP.

Thursday, April 30, 2009

Mental Health: Convulsions Anyone?

All 23 of the Psychiatric Poisons in our FDA Adverse Reaction section feature Convulsion as an FDA reported Adverse Reaction with each Drug Individually identified as 'The Primary Suspect Drug' responsible for that Adverse Reaction.

Abilify: Convulsion
Adderall: Convulsion, Convulsive Threshold Lowered
Celexa: Convulsion, Convulsion Neonatal, Convulsive Threshold Lowered
Clozapine: Convulsion, Convulsion Neonatal, Convulsive Threshold Lowered
Cymbalta: Convulsion, Convulsive Threshold Lowered
Depakote: Convulsion, Convulsion Neonatal, Convulsive Threshold Lowered
Effexor: Convulsion, Convulsion Neonatal, Convulsive Threshold Lowered
Geodon: Convulsion, Convulsions Local, Convulsive Threshold Lowered
Klonopin: Convulsion
Lamactil: Convulsion, Convulsion Neonatal
Lexapro: Convulsion, Convulsion Neonatal, Convulsive Threshold Lowered
Neurontin: Convulsion, Convulsive Threshold Lowered
Paxil: Convulsion, Convulsion Neonatal, Convulsive Threshold Lowered
Prozac: Convulsion, Convulsion Neonatal, Convulsive Threshold Lowered
Risperdal: Convulsion, Convulsion Neonatal
Ritalin/Concerta: Convulsion
Seroquel: Convulsion, Convulsion Neonatal
Strattera: Convulsion, Convulsive Threshold Lowered
Tegretol: Convulsion, Convulsions Local, Convulsive Threshold Lowered
Wellbutrin: Convulsion, Convulsion Neonatal, Convulsive Threshold Lowered
Xanax: Convulsion, Convulsion Neonatal, Convulsive Threshold Lowered
Zoloft: Convulsion, Convulsion Neonatal, Convulsive Threshold Lowered
Zyprexa: Convulsion, Convulsion Neonatal, Convulsive Threshold Lowered

Neurontin is an Anticonvulsant used to Poison/Truncheon into Submission the Convulsions which all the Other Psychiatric Drugs Poison Into People, ..... along with squeezing the Diarrhoea right out of Them, ...... and their bank accounts.

Top 20 Neurontin side effects reported to MedWatch between Jan. 2004 and Dec. 2006:

Drug Ineffective - 834 cases
Suicide Attempt - 535 cases
Completed Suicide - 526 cases
Suicidal Ideation - 420 cases
Condition Aggravated - 381 cases
Pain - 340 cases
Depression - 304 cases
Convulsion - 287 cases
Somnolence - 259 cases
Overdose - 239 cases
Feeling Abnormal - 236 cases
Dizziness - 235 cases
Fall - 190 cases
Gun Shot Wound - 190 cases
Headache - 181 cases
Insomnia - 181 cases
Amnesia - 174 cases
Anxiety - 174 cases
Nausea - 172 cases
Loss of Consciousness - 164 cases

Let's say you went to your Doctor, and had a set of "Mentally Healthy' Convulsions poisoned into you, and then that Doctor poisoned those Convulsions into submission with Neurontin, ....... along with poisoning a Neurontin Top 20 GUN SHOT WOUND into you.

Would You have a Diarrhoea Hemorrhage over that?

Well at least NOW, ....... you've Got US Govt numbers showing where the Fault actually lies, ..... and it Ain't from Your pile of Not Otherwise Specified.

And to even Further rub it in: Here's an FDA Neurontin/Gabapentine label from:

4/23/2009
CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY

Mechanism of Action

The mechanism by which gabapentin exerts its analgesic action is unknown, but in animal models of analgesia, gabapentin prevents allodynia (pain-related behavior in response to a normally innocuous stimulus) and hyperalgesia (exaggerated response to painful stimuli). In particular, gabapentin prevents pain-related responses in several models of neuropathic pain in rats or mice (e.g. spinal nerve ligation models, streptozocin-induced diabetes model, spinal cord injury model, acute herpes zoster infection model). Gabapentin also decreases pain-related responses after peripheral inflammation (carrageenan footpad test, late phase of formalin test). Gabapentin did not alter immediate pain-related behaviors (rat tail flick test, formalin footpad acute phase, acetic acid abdominal constriction test, *footpad heat irradiation test). The relevance of these models to human pain is not known.

The mechanism by which gabapentin exerts its anticonvulsant action is unknown, but in animal test systems designed to detect anticonvulsant activity, gabapentin prevents seizures as do other marketed anticonvulsants. Gabapentin exhibits antiseizure activity in mice and rats in both the maximal electroshock and pentylenetetrazole seizure models and other preclinical models (e.g., strains with genetic epilepsy, etc.). The relevance of these models to human epilepsy is not known.

* Footpad heat irradiation test? They gave the rat a hot foot, ..... and electroshocked it? And based on That, marked Neurontin safe to park in Your medicine cabinet?

That's just Got to make those 190 people who got SHOT after being Poisoned with it feel SO much better, ......